• Re: Google 2025 strategy

    From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ACCESSION on Wednesday, January 01, 2025 09:27:00
    As do I, similar to the "dot.com" craze/crash except this one could
    have a lot more consequences.

    AI, even when compared to something like a total station (which is now used in >construction most of the time before any decent project starts), used to give >gridlines, elevations, other very accurate point data, and many other things
    .

    If the person/people controlling this stuff is an idiot, there's no limit to >what these things can and can't do aside from what they're _supposed_ to do.
    )

    I also think they are trying to use it for things it is not meant to do,
    which is why it is good at giving accurate point data but not so great at trying to think like a human.


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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, January 01, 2025 10:59:34
    Hello Dumas,

    On Wed, Jan 01 2025 08:27:00 -0600, you wrote ..

    I also think they are trying to use it for things it is not meant to
    do, which is why it is good at giving accurate point data but not so
    great at trying to think like a human.

    For sure. Which also brings up the point that a good percentage of humans are getting dumber, and lazier (in my experience, I point at architects and engineers making construction drawings with far less detail that now basically needs to be figured out in the field, and when asked about said details, they take a week or more to respond - half the time coming back with an answer that doesn't even pertain to the problem at hand, which can hold up the entire construction process and add to the frustration of trying to get a job done on time, and under budget).

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Accession on Wednesday, January 01, 2025 15:52:24
    Re: Re: Google 2025 strategy
    By: Accession to Dumas Walker on Wed Jan 01 2025 10:59:34

    Which also brings up the point that a good percentage of humans are getting dumber, and lazier.

    Pffft, I've known that for decades.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Accession on Thursday, January 02, 2025 06:57:11
    Accession wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    For sure. Which also brings up the point that a good percentage of
    humans are getting dumber, and lazier (in my experience, I point at architects and engineers making construction drawings with far less
    detail that now basically needs to be figured out in the field, and
    when asked about said details, they take a week or more to respond -
    half the time coming back with an answer that doesn't even pertain to
    the problem at hand, which can hold up the entire construction process
    and add to the frustration of trying to get a job done on time, and
    under budget).

    I find the number of times I write an email and get a response that
    doesn't fully answer the question I asked increasing. I don't know if
    it's a lack of reading comprehension, a desire to do the least amount
    needed to check a box in their brain, or something else - but the lead
    time and the need for multiple emails is frustrating.

    I'm also suffering from short-timer's syndrome, going to be going
    through an organizational change soon and not having to deal with some
    of these people. Makes everything rub that much more.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ACCESSION on Thursday, January 02, 2025 10:11:00
    I also think they are trying to use it for things it is not meant to
    do, which is why it is good at giving accurate point data but not so
    great at trying to think like a human.

    For sure. Which also brings up the point that a good percentage of humans are >getting dumber, and lazier (in my experience, I point at architects and >engineers making construction drawings with far less detail that now basically >needs to be figured out in the field, and when asked about said details, they >take a week or more to respond - half the time coming back with an answer that >doesn't even pertain to the problem at hand, which can hold up the entire >construction process and add to the frustration of trying to get a job done on >time, and under budget).

    Considering the field we are discussing... building construction... that is actually pretty scary.


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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mortar on Thursday, January 02, 2025 18:01:55
    Hey Mortar!

    On Wed, Jan 01 2025 15:52:24 -0600, you wrote ..

    Which also brings up the point that a good percentage of humans are
    getting dumber, and lazier.

    Pffft, I've known that for decades.

    I watched "Idiocracy" very soon after I posted that (a day or two ago), and all the answers just fell into place. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, January 02, 2025 18:08:11
    Hey poindexter!

    On Thu, Jan 02 2025 08:57:11 -0600, you wrote ..

    I find the number of times I write an email and get a response that
    doesn't fully answer the question I asked increasing. I don't know if
    it's a lack of reading comprehension, a desire to do the least amount
    needed to check a box in their brain, or something else - but the lead
    time and the need for multiple emails is frustrating.

    I'd imagine it's probably all the reasons you listed, and even including the flat out lack of giving a shit. *shrug*

    I'm also suffering from short-timer's syndrome, going to be going
    through an organizational change soon and not having to deal with some
    of these people. Makes everything rub that much more.

    Lucky. While I may only have to deal with an architect and/or engineer for anywhere from a few weeks to a year, the next job there's another that isn't any better than the last one. :(

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Dumas Walker on Thursday, January 02, 2025 18:10:22
    Hey Dumas!

    On Thu, Jan 02 2025 09:11:00 -0600, you wrote ..

    Considering the field we are discussing... building construction...
    that is actually pretty scary.

    Definitely. And it's only going to get worse as long as schools keep telling kids to go to college, where they'll choose some easy degree they'll never use in the real world.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, January 03, 2025 02:39:19
    Re: Re: Google 2025 strategy
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Accession on Thu Jan 02 2025 06:57 am

    I find the number of times I write an email and get a response that
    doesn't fully answer the question I asked increasing. I don't know if
    it's a lack of reading comprehension, a desire to do the least amount
    needed to check a box in their brain, or something else - but the lead
    time and the need for multiple emails is frustrating.

    So glad that I'm not the only one noticing this. It was so bad at my last place of work that I always had to carefully space out (or group together,as the case may be) sentences or certain words just so that I was sure they would be seen/read. Also with particular people I just came to expect that there would be some kind of "HUH?" type response, so I made sure to get started early on any communication with them.

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to phigan on Friday, January 03, 2025 09:59:07
    Re: Re: Google 2025 strategy
    By: phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jan 03 2025 02:39 am

    I find the number of times I write an email and get a response that doesn't fully answer the question I asked increasing. I don't know if it's a lack of reading comprehension, a desire to do the least amount needed to check a box in their brain, or something else - but the lead time and the need for multiple emails is frustrating.

    So glad that I'm not the only one noticing this.

    You're definitely not. This happens to me every day on the job... it is a bit disturbing.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Accession on Friday, January 03, 2025 12:39:05
    Accession wrote to Mortar <=-

    I watched "Idiocracy" very soon after I posted that (a day or two ago), and all the answers just fell into place. :)

    We keep seeing commercials for the game show "Wipeout", and my wife
    insists we're one step away from "Ow, my balls!"




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Accession on Friday, January 03, 2025 12:39:05
    Accession wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Definitely. And it's only going to get worse as long as schools keep telling kids to go to college, where they'll choose some easy degree they'll never use in the real world.

    The bubble had burst before covid, I'd thought - that having a degree,
    any degree, meant the real possibility of a job out of college.

    Now, my son is graduating with a marketing/comms degree and I'm trying
    to impress on him that in a couple of years there won't be entry level
    jobs creating copy - there will be jobs for people to run and tune
    output from LLMs.


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  • From Mythicmrmun@VERT/PENNYBBS to Bf2k+ on Friday, January 03, 2025 23:15:18
    Re: Re: Google 2025 strategy
    By: Bf2k+ to phigan on Fri Jan 03 2025 09:59:07

    You're definitely not. This happens to me every day on the job... it is a bit disturbing.

    The lack of common sense in workplaces is increasing, It should be listed as a requirement on job descriptions nowadays..

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, January 04, 2025 17:33:48
    Hey poindexter!

    On Fri, Jan 03 2025 14:39:05 -0600, you wrote ..

    I watched "Idiocracy" very soon after I posted that (a day or two
    ago), and all the answers just fell into place. :)

    We keep seeing commercials for the game show "Wipeout", and my wife
    insists we're one step away from "Ow, my balls!"

    We're definitely heading in that direction, and not the other way.. that's for sure!

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, January 04, 2025 17:38:48
    Hey poindexter!

    On Fri, Jan 03 2025 14:39:05 -0600, you wrote ..

    Definitely. And it's only going to get worse as long as schools
    keep telling kids to go to college, where they'll choose some easy
    degree they'll never use in the real world.

    The bubble had burst before covid, I'd thought - that having a degree,
    any degree, meant the real possibility of a job out of college.

    I think the bubble had burst long before that, to be honest. While I didn't join in the conversation in the other sub, I was in high school in the late 90s and got to take all the shop class electives and all that. When those shop classes started disappearing from schools is when they were touting going to college was the only way. Now that they've done that, the trades are in dire need of quality workers, and jobs where you need a college degree are overstuffed and dwindling. It's going to get even worse with AI, I have a feeling.

    That said, luckily the school my kids go to still have vocational classes.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mythicmrmun on Saturday, January 04, 2025 17:40:25
    Hey Mythicmrmun!

    On Fri, Jan 03 2025 07:15:18 -0600, you wrote ..

    The lack of common sense in workplaces is increasing, It should be
    listed as a requirement on job descriptions nowadays..

    While I agree with this, unfortunately that would probably hurt people's feelings and cause sue-happy-lack-of-common-sense people to file lawsuits. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, January 04, 2025 17:20:31
    Re: Re: Google 2025 strategy
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Accession on Fri Jan 03 2025 12:39 pm

    We keep seeing commercials for the game show "Wipeout", and my wife
    insists we're one step away from "Ow, my balls!"

    Guessing you already know, there's an Android game named that.

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