• Re: Happy pride month! (to those who cel

    From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to boraxman on Friday, June 12, 2026 10:05:18
    boraxman around Saturday, June 13th...
    The issue is that it creates an incentive structure which necessitates a racial/sexual bias to remain complaint.

    I agree fully with you here that it *can* create a incentive structure - but if it has, the company has implemented it wrong.

    The same strucutre you cite already exists *without* DEI, but it's the polar opposite, resulting in racism, misogyny, etc. Hell, half the people here make it VERY clear they would not hire someone they deem as LGBTQ+. DEI combats that.

    Is it perfect? Hell no. Is it better than the alternative (ie: nothing)? Hell yes. Instead of being "anti-DEI", be "anti-abuse". ALL of our systems are abused in some way or another -- that's the game. There is always persons out there ready to exploit/abuse/whatever any system in place. The key is to iterate and revise, not destroy.


    On Saturday, June 13th boraxman said...
    Actually, one way companies increase their female management is to just create bogus "manager" jobs, i.e, rename someone working on their own as a "manager", and then this increases the female manager metric.

    I've seen this play out in a million ways over my career, but replace "female" with whatever you like. Bad people game the system to make themselves look good. Nothing new. (Bad) Managers do this with or without DEI.


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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to boraxman on Friday, June 12, 2026 10:08:44
    Twas Saturday, June 13th when boraxman said...
    If multiple people are reporting the same thing, independently, in different places, that is, seeing the same issue come up and correlate, then "anectode" becomes "Evidence".

    That's still ancedotal, sir. Start measuring the claims from "both directions" and now you can start to form some evidence.

    ...and lucky us, that's exactly what oversight & regulation does. And we DO have independent groups (plural, important here) that study this stuff, and the outcomes have been overly positive, with outlier bad effects.


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